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June 01, 2007

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Bill Henson

This is a huge step towards defining legitimacy and building integrity in the Domain industry. In time it will establish realistic pricing models that end users can place confidence in.

Adam

"Now you could take 50,000 names which make less than $6.00 a year on PPC, plug them into this system and generate $15,000 a day in domain name sales, based purely on whois look-ups"

You making up #s ? or you have an idea of conversions and avg prices ? just curious

***FS*** If I were a seller.. thats what I 'could' make on my crap (which apparently is now 'gold' because the crap was bought with the same instincts as the 'real gold'.. I'm not a onesey twosey seller at the moment though.

Adam

great post btw . . . and nice tips to help people out

Jamie

thanks for the info, but damn. How am I supposed to get any sleep now?

Edwin Sherman

Out of curiosity I took the top 300 US cities and tagged the word "Plumbers" to the end of each. It was very interesting to see 163 out of 300 were registered by Fabulous on September 2, 2004

***FS*** Try plumbing.. and dashes .. again.. it's counterintuitve.. to type in but be careful because you could load with a bunch of crap if you're not.

Edwin Sherman

Interesting Fact #2:

I took one of the names Fabulous registered on September 2, 2004 (NewOrleansPlumbers.com), typed it into GoDaddy, and received the following message: "NewOrleansPlumbers.com is available as a Premium Domain Name! This Premium Domain Name can be purchased for $1,200.00."

It looks like Fabulous is testing DDN at GoDaddy :)

***FS*** Oh yes..

Bob

Nice post, I can see you are very passionate about this, keep up the good work.

Patrick Kerr

WOW! that's the best news i've heard in a long time! so names of Florida City Hotels might be good like stpetersburgflhotel.com or kissimmeeflhotel.com or things like skivacationstowevermont.com or mp3lilwayne.com, mp3lilscrappy.com or pokemonthemesong.com or generic financial names like tradingonlinefree.com jeez i have a ton of these types of names (5,000 plus) hope i'm on the right track!!??

***FS*** Be cerebral.. think about what 'you' would want to run there.. put yourself in the business shoes.. don't buy names people can use as directories.. buy names people can use for their biz.

Dave Wrixon

This could work one of two ways.

It could provide a means of educating small and medium sized business on the importance of having their own unique web address, and above all investing in something that is going to give them meaningful market penetration. If this is the case, then this could take domaining to a whole new level, and everyone will benefit.

Alternative, it could take the thinking out of domain investing, and suck in a whole new wave of no-hope speculators, leading to an even greater glut of meaningless and pointless names, that have little or no intrinsic value. This in turn would make it harder to sell second and third tier names because of the extra dross distracting potential buyers.

As ever, time will tell.

Robert

I read the same paragraph three times and I still don't understand. How did you arrive at the $15,000 a day figure? This amount is from selling long tail domain names through the registrar's whois lookup page? Are you estimating a certain figure amount per domain? If so, what amount? Are you estimating a certain number of domain sales per day? If so, how many?


Thank you for this blog...

***FS*** Selling through "all" registrar's whois lookups, which get chained together via the fab system. I took a bucket of my names that make little or no money and asked Fabulous "how many leads can I get" then extrapolated the math and sales close ratios from their average. That's the workback number. I'm estimating a conservative $1000 per sale. Which is realistic based on what others are doing on that system.. I could probably double the price but saying I could make 30k a day sounded so 'grandstandy' .. so wanted to be conservative. This is really about the power of media, foot-traffic, people, business and cashflow.

Edwin Hayward

Thanks, Frank! While the OVT number is very low, I'm quite happy to have dug up coloradospringslawfirm.com based on your 4th suggestion...

***FS*** That is a terrific name! Singular.. like a law "firm" .. that's the way to do it.. repeat.

Harvey

It's probably been asked of you many times Franky but I can't see why you have not decided to be your own registrar?

Having more control over the domains
you own would be worth the effort IMHO.


owen frager

Great post!

Rob Sequin

Just went through my phone book. Insert your local city or town before the keywords you like and run through domaintools bulk search and see what's available. (long post but should be helpful)

accounting
airconditioning
alarm
alarms
apartments
appliance
appraisal
appraisals
appraiser
appraisers
arbitration
artist
artists
attorney
attorneys
autosales
bakery
bands
bath
bathrooms
baths
beautysalon
bikerentals
bikes
boatdealers
bride
brides
buildingsupply
cabinet
carpenters
carpet
carpetcleaning
carwash
caterers
catering
childcare
chiro
chiropractic
chiropractor
chiropractors
clothing
computers
concrete
contractor
contractors
dayspa
deck
decking
decks
dental
dentist
dentistry
dentists
design
disposal
door
doors
electric
electrician
electricians
employment
engineer
engineering
engineers
entertainment
equipment
excavating
excavation
fence
financial
financialservices
flooring
floors
florist
florists
fuel
funeralhome
funeralhomes
furniture
gifts
glass
golf
graphicdesign
hairsalon
hardware
heating
homeimprovement
homeimprovements
homes
hometheater
hometheaters
hotel
hotels
hottub
hottubs
hvac
hypnosis
inn
inns
inspections
inspector
inspectors
installer
installers
insurance
interiordesign
internet
investigations
jewelry
jobs
kitchen
kitchens
landscape
landscaper
landscapers
landscaping
law
lawn
lawns
lawyer
lawyers
locksmith
locksmiths
masonry
massage
medicalcenter
motel
motels
movers
moving
nurseries
nursery
oil
optician
opticians
painter
painters
painting
personalinjurylaw
pestcontrol
pet
petsitter
photographer
photographers
photography
physicaltherapy
physician
physicians
pizza
plasticsurgery
plumber
plumbers
plumbing
pool
pools
printer
printers
printing
propane
psychotheraphy
re
realestate
realty
remodeling
rental
rentals
repair
restaurant
restaurants
restoration
roofer
roofers
roofing
salon
security
septic
shed
sheds
siding
sign
signs
spa
storage
supply
taxi
tent
tents
tile
treeservice
vet
video
weddings
wellness
window
windows

***FS*** And they say there's no good free info out there ;) Thanks Rob!~

Robert

Taking the coloradospringslawfirm.com example.

After he registers the domain, how does it show up on the whois page as being for sale? Is this available to everyone yet OR is it only for beta testers? Does it depend on the registrar you use?

Thanks!

DP

This will be awesome once it is fully rolled out. Last update I had from Fabulous is that you can only currently list names at Fab on the DDN.

Edwin Hayward

And here's the other half of the puzzle - the 50 largest cities in the US...

NewYork
LosAngeles
Chicago
Houston
Philadelphia
Phoenix
SanDiego
Dallas
SanAntonio
Detroit
SanJose
Indianapolis
SanFrancisco
Columbus
Austin
Baltimore
Milwaukee
Boston
Washington
ElPaso
Seattle
Denver
Charlotte
FortWorth
Portland
OklahomaCity
Tucson
NewOrleans
LasVegas
Cleveland
LongBeach
Albuquerque
KansasCity
Fresno
VirginiaBeach
Atlanta
Sacramento
Oakland
Mesa
Tulsa
Omaha
Minneapolis
Honolulu
ColoradoSprings
StLouis
Wichita
SantaAna
Pittsburgh
Arlington
Cincinnati


***FS**** Thank-you too Edwin!~

Dave Wrixon

Did a similar exercise on IDN last year.

You can soon end up with massive matrices of potential registrations.

What did we learn?

Focus on services whose delivery is inherently local or associated with a specific location.

The location bit should be the obvious next question. You don't look at Hotels or Holidays or even Restaurants without the locations being implicitly or even explicitly asked. Music downloads by contrast can go from anywhere to anywhere!

Bear

Thanks for the information regarding Fabulous's DDN.

Which registrars have they partnered with? This doesn't seem obvious from their homepage.

It's not apparent that my primary registrars have opted-in to their network.

Jack

Frank,

I would submit the plural, miamigolfcourses.com or atlantalawfirms.com, is more intuitive and much more valuable from a PPC and directory model than the singular. Our research from our 10,000 plus name portfolio strongly validates this. Fact is, the general populus will type in the plural looking for variety and selection rather than the singular which is not necessarily a commonly used generic term - dallascardealer.com for example. Give me the plural all day and every day.....

Jason

[newbie!] So, registrars will never let domains drop and they'll have better searches against their whois records? Are you saying that registrars will earn money from parking these domains and putting up ads on whois search result pages? I don't get it: are we saying they'll be stronger sales (price & quantity) of after-market domain names in the future -or- that more Ad revenue will be earned from registrar keeping and parking their domains, or both?

There's still the aesthetic of the name to consider, no? "real-estate-investments-austin.com" drops soon, but yuck!, what a name!

AhmedF

Well - the advantage of having data :)

We operate iBegin Source - http://source.ibegin.com/ - an open YP listings.

So - I did one, and got the top 150 categories (by # of businesses) and top 150 cities (by # of businesses):
Top 150 Categories: http://www.ibegin.com/sevenmile1.html
Top 150 Cities: http://www.ibegin.com/sevenmile2.html

Feel free to spread it - if you want to :)

Jason

Here's the list for tomorrow's drop combining the first two lists of yellow page listings and top 50 cities: http://zwah.com/2007/06/01/let-your-domain-names-do-the-walking/

Michael

Frank,

I just grabbed the following list. Please tell me, are they any good under the scenario described in your post?

albuquerqueasphalt.com
arlingtonasphalt.com
baltimoreasphalt.com
birminghamasphalt.com
charlotteasphalt.com
chesapeakeconcrete.com
elpasoasphalt.com
fortworthasphalt.com
indianapolisasphalt.com
jacksonvilleasphalt.com
kansascityasphalt.com
louisvilleasphalt.com
louisvilleconcrete.com
mesaasphalt.com
miamiasphalt.com
milwaukeeasphalt.com
nashvilleasphalt.com
neworleansasphalt.com
oaklandasphalt.com
omahaasphalt.com
portlandasphalt.com
sanjoseasphalt.com
scottsdaleconcrete.com
tampaasphalt.com
tulsaasphalt.com
washingtonasphalt.com

***FS*** I think those are fine names.. but you should think about each one .. some towns hae less driveways.. be cerebral. Good job though. Also some parts of the country they call it paving, others it's asphalt.. love the concrete ones tho.

Ryan

It's no secret that geo is the next big thing. I'm somewhat new to the game but I've been working on that part almost since I started. Especially with the rise of google and yahoo maps and similar sites.

As far of .net's and .org's of strong .com's, how do you value the .net counterpart? Do you usually give it a percent of the .com version's worth? For example, if a .com is worth 10k, then the .net counterpart might be worth 1k.

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